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  • flevoland
    flevoland replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    The option procedure is relatively much quicker. However, I have heard that the processing time of naturalisation varies a lot from 4 to 12 months and that normally it takes between 7 and 9 months. Mostly, gemeente requires only three things: th...  moreThe option procedure is relatively much quicker. However, I have heard that the processing time of naturalisation varies a lot from 4 to 12 months and that normally it takes between 7 and 9 months. Mostly, gemeente requires only three things: the passport, residence permit and language diploma. They would want birth and/or marriage certificate only if it's not already in their system which is very rare because we normally provide such things upon arrival in NL or in other words when they become available to be provided in NL.
    (In my case, they asked me to bring the job contract and employer's declaration also. Because of the reason that I'm a KM and currently have one year contract. According to the gemeente, IND wants to know through the letter from my employer that my contract will later get extended for at least one year or it will become permanent.)
    Regards...  less
    • February 17
  • flevoland
    flevoland replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    Following is some information from the Immigratie-en Naturalisatiedienst website about getting the dutch citizenship via naturalisation procedure:
     
    After you fulfil the conditions in respect of naturalization and have the required documents, you make an appointment at your local gemeente/municipality where they will fill in the application forms for you and charge the fee for naturalization request which is €798 for one person at this time. They will then send the request to IND. IND will probably later on send you a confirmation that they have received the application. After it is approved by IND and signed by Queen, you will receive an invitation to attend the naturalisation ceremony at the gemeente. After this you can apply for the passport at the gemeente. Eventually you will have to renounce your current nationality probably at your country's embassy in NL.
     ...  more
    Following is some information from the Immigratie-en Naturalisatiedienst website about getting the dutch citizenship via naturalisation procedure:
     
    After you fulfil the conditions in respect of naturalization and have the required documents, you make an appointment at your local gemeente/municipality where they will fill in the application forms for you and charge the fee for naturalization request which is €798 for one person at this time. They will then send the request to IND. IND will probably later on send you a confirmation that they have received the application. After it is approved by IND and signed by Queen, you will receive an invitation to attend the naturalisation ceremony at the gemeente. After this you can apply for the passport at the gemeente. Eventually you will have to renounce your current nationality probably at your country's embassy in NL.
     
    Regards...
     
       less
    • February 15
  • flevoland
    flevoland replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    christianbarth said:
     
    For example, the analysis of the form in question missed the point that the real purpose of the second test (the six month contract situation) is to accomodate employees of temp agencies and uitzendbureaus who routinely get contracts of short and varying duration. 
     ...  more
    christianbarth said:
     
    For example, the analysis of the form in question missed the point that the real purpose of the second test (the six month contract situation) is to accomodate employees of temp agencies and uitzendbureaus who routinely get contracts of short and varying duration. 
     
    It wasn't intended to cover people with less than a full year on their annual contracts, although it might look like that to the uninitiated.  It's intended to allow people who have worked continuously for three years on very short term contracts ranging from days to months with different employers to satisfy the income requirements without a one-year contract. 
     
    The IND assumes everyone else has a year contract at the minimum so you can always apply just before your next contract year starts, instead of looking for a special exception to let you file a few months early.
     
    Christian Barth, Attorney
    www.expatlaw.nl
    Till last year I have been working on one permanent contract with&nb...    less
    • February 10
  • flevoland
    flevoland replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    Iamsterdam said:
    igor said:
    1. you can. You need to have an income at the moment of the application.
    2. just that....  more
    Iamsterdam said:
    igor said:
    1. you can. You need to have an income at the moment of the application.
    2. just that.
    3/4. One cards serves both. same application.
    5. Yes, you can, as long as you have another RP covering the priod of waiting.
    6. This idea is a good one, yet it costs ~400 eur extra. Permanent RP may take up to 6 month. (I know examples of both 3 month and up to 6 month happening in 2011) Naturalization may take anything from 4 month up to 12 (for the IND only) Again, one need to have a valid RP to cover the period.
    7. You do not send originals anywhere. Gemeente would make a copy of it for 5 eur for the IND. Naturalisation process starts at Gemeente, so they make a copy of it again for free. Cheers.
    hello,
     
    As My question was related to this topic, just thought to repond to this conversation only.
     
    My question is related point no.6, i.e. application for PR and Naturalization at around same time
    I think, if you are applying for naturalization then there is no need to apply for the PR...    less
    • February 8
  • flevoland
    flevoland replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    The only reason why I can't ignore that lawyer's view is that his firm applied and successfully got all my visas/permits so far...
    • January 23
  • flevoland
    flevoland replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    ouloveit3,
    Common sense does not mostly work when it comes to dealing with IND. If you see earlier posts in this topic, then you would know that I've already discussed that form's name and that 1 year term, and much more...
    • January 23
  • flevoland
    flevoland replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    ouloveit3, I know exactly what the difference is between KM and PR... this never was my question on this forum...
    • January 23
  • flevoland
    flevoland replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    I've just spoken to a lawyer for assistant from a renowned law firm. He says that I can apply for the PR as long as I have a valid KM permit, have been living and working here for 5+ years without any gaps and I fulfil the salary criteria based upon my age. That's it.
    He says that it does not matter how long is my current job contract valid for as long as it is valid at the time of applying.
    He also says that I need to attach only last 3 months salary/job details.
    And he says that I can apply now without inburgering certificate as long as I will forward it to IND within a month time. They will be willing to wait a while before making the final decision on the application....  more
    I've just spoken to a lawyer for assistant from a renowned law firm. He says that I can apply for the PR as long as I have a valid KM permit, have been living and working here for 5+ years without any gaps and I fulfil the salary criteria based upon my age. That's it.
    He says that it does not matter how long is my current job contract valid for as long as it is valid at the time of applying.
    He also says that I need to attach only last 3 months salary/job details.
    And he says that I can apply now without inburgering certificate as long as I will forward it to IND within a month time. They will be willing to wait a while before making the final decision on the application.
     
    So, who do I follow now?
     
    Regards...  less
    • January 23
  • flevoland
    flevoland replied to a topic in the forum Learning Dutch:
    Thankyou everyone out there.
    I've managed to succeed in all parts of Inburgeringsexamen and I've also received the invitation from DUO to collect my diploma in February.
     
    Regards...
    • January 23
  • flevoland
    flevoland replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    To apply for the KM permit extension, I'll have to pay the fee and attach all the documents which are required for PR permit (apart from only one which is inburgering certificate). So, why not apply for the PR instead of KM entension then?
     ...  more
    To apply for the KM permit extension, I'll have to pay the fee and attach all the documents which are required for PR permit (apart from only one which is inburgering certificate). So, why not apply for the PR instead of KM entension then?
     
    Regards...  
    • January 23
  • flevoland
    flevoland replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    My current KM permit is till 31-Oct-2012. So if I apply let's say before the end of february then I'll have 8 months left before my current permit expires. Will that be enough for naturalization processing? Regards...
    • January 23
  • flevoland
    flevoland replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    I had my last exam on 17th January and if it takes a month before the inburgering certificate is ready to be picked up then on/after 15th February, I'll have less than 6 months left in my current job contract. So, I don't if I'll be eligibl...  moreI had my last exam on 17th January and if it takes a month before the inburgering certificate is ready to be picked up then on/after 15th February, I'll have less than 6 months left in my current job contract. So, I don't if I'll be eligible to apply for PR or naturalization after that.
     
    Avocado says that I'll need to provide employment related proofs for the last 3 years. That is a lot. Although, I think that IND knows exactly what and where have I been working in NL.
     
    Regards...  less
    • January 23
  • flevoland
    flevoland replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    So, if someone is applying for the naturalization then it is not a requirement to have the permanent residence already or to appy for the permanent residence at that time.
     
    Applying for the naturalization means getting the permanent residence card automatically after the naturalizatioin process is complete?
     ...  more
    So, if someone is applying for the naturalization then it is not a requirement to have the permanent residence already or to appy for the permanent residence at that time.
     
    Applying for the naturalization means getting the permanent residence card automatically after the naturalizatioin process is complete?
     
    Can one apply for PR and/or start the process of naturalization at the gemeente with all the four individual exam results (1 praktijkexamen & 3 centrale examens) and without having the eventual inburgering diploma/certificate yet?
     
    Regards...  less
    • January 22
  • flevoland
    flevoland replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    Thankyou igor for your reply.
     
    I have downloaded the applicaton form (Aanvraag of wijziging Verblijfsvergunning regulier voor onbepaalde tijd) from the IND website and on one (Bijlage Bewijsstukken inkomen M35D) of the pages it states what documents are required as proof of income under different categories.
     ...  more
    Thankyou igor for your reply.
     
    I have downloaded the applicaton form (Aanvraag of wijziging Verblijfsvergunning regulier voor onbepaalde tijd) from the IND website and on one (Bijlage Bewijsstukken inkomen M35D) of the pages it states what documents are required as proof of income under different categories.
     
    The first one is:
    Als u of uw referent een arbeidsovereenkomst heeft die op het moment van de aanvraag minimaal 1 jaar geldig is; of Als u (de vreemdeling) arbeid in loondienst gaat verrichten (in het kader van een EU-actieprogramma of een Internationale Overeenkomst waarbij Nederland partij is)
    – Uw huidige arbeidsovereenkomst(en)
    – De volledig ingevulde en ondertekende Bijlage(n) werkgeversverklaring (niet ouder dan 3 maanden)
    – Loonstroken over de afgelopen 3 maanden
    Alleen als u structureel meer verdient dan uit uw arbeidsovereenkomst blijkt (bijvoorbeeld door overwerk)
    – Loonstroken over de afgelopen 12 maanden
     
    and the second one states:
    Als u of uw referent e...    less
    • January 19
  • flevoland
    flevoland posted a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    KM -> PR -> Citizenship
    Hello there,
     
    I am actually looking forward to apply for the permanent residence and dutch nationality. If somebody could share his/her knowledge on the questions that I have.
     ...  more
    Hello there,
     
    I am actually looking forward to apply for the permanent residence and dutch nationality. If somebody could share his/her knowledge on the questions that I have.
     
    I have been living and working here in NL for over 5 years as a KM. Last year I changed my job and I have now one year contract till August, after which it will hopefully change into permanent.
     
    1) Keeping in mind my employment details (currently one year contract that has seven months to go), can I apply for the permanent residence?
    2) Will I have to attach last 3 months salary slips, employer's declaration and current job contract with the application or will it be more/different than that?
    3) Is applying for the dutch permanent residence is by any means different from applying for the EU permanent residence?
    4) Is it the same application form and in the end I will get two cards (both Dutch & EU)?
    5) Can I apply for the permanent residence and nationality at the same time?
    6) I heard that getting permanent re...    less
    • January 19
  • flevoland
    flevoland replied to a topic in the forum Learning Dutch:
    • January 19
  • flevoland
    flevoland replied to a topic in the forum Learning Dutch:
    There is complete silence from Tiff.Company for the last two three weeks now. I don't know when will they invite me for the panelgesprek. Although they claim that the total processing time of praktijkexamen including panelgesprek is under 2 weeks.
    • January 9
  • flevoland
    flevoland replied to a topic in the forum Learning Dutch:
    I have now sent them the same kind of screenshot from Yacht and they have accepted it.
    • December 23, 2011
  • flevoland
    flevoland replied to a topic in the forum Learning Dutch:
    • December 23, 2011
  • flevoland
    flevoland replied to a topic in the forum Learning Dutch:
    Hi nerissa,
     
    I have received feedback about my porfolio (I sent only 20) and they have rejected one of the proofs which is "Ik zoek werk. Ik schrijf mijzelf in als werkzoekende". I had sent them the screenshot of my profile page on mosterboard. In their reply they say: "Dit moet gebeuren bij een uitzendbureau of het UWV". Now I don't know if I have to go to an uitzendbureau or UWV to collect a form or I can register with them via internet and if I can do it via internet then I don't see any difference between what I have done and what they want me to do.
     ...  more
    Hi nerissa,
     
    I have received feedback about my porfolio (I sent only 20) and they have rejected one of the proofs which is "Ik zoek werk. Ik schrijf mijzelf in als werkzoekende". I had sent them the screenshot of my profile page on mosterboard. In their reply they say: "Dit moet gebeuren bij een uitzendbureau of het UWV". Now I don't know if I have to go to an uitzendbureau or UWV to collect a form or I can register with them via internet and if I can do it via internet then I don't see any difference between what I have done and what they want me to do.
     
    Regards...
       less
    • December 22, 2011
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  • February 17, 2012 12:21:44 PM CET
    in the topic Can anyone tell me the process of Dutch citizen application? in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands

    The option procedure is relatively much quicker. However, I have heard that the processing time of naturalisation varies a lot from 4 to 12 months and that normally it takes between 7 and 9 months. Mostly, gemeente requires only three things: the passport, residence permit and language diploma. They would want birth and/or marriage certificate only if it's not already in their system which is very rare because we normally provide such things upon arrival in NL or in other words when they become available to be provided in NL.

    (In my case, they asked me to bring the job contract and employer's declaration also. Because of the reason that I'm a KM and currently have one year contract. According to the gemeente, IND wants to know through the letter from my employer that my contract will later get extended for at least one year or it will become permanent.)

    Regards...

    This post was edited by flevoland at February 17, 2012 12:21:44 PM CET
  • February 15, 2012 9:34:30 AM CET
    in the topic Can anyone tell me the process of Dutch citizen application? in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands

    Following is some information from the Immigratie-en Naturalisatiedienst website about getting the dutch citizenship via naturalisation procedure:

     

    After you fulfil the conditions in respect of naturalization and have the required documents, you make an appointment at your local gemeente/municipality where they will fill in the application forms for you and charge the fee for naturalization request which is €798 for one person at this time. They will then send the request to IND. IND will probably later on send you a confirmation that they have received the application. After it is approved by IND and signed by Queen, you will receive an invitation to attend the naturalisation ceremony at the gemeente. After this you can apply for the passport at the gemeente. Eventually you will have to renounce your current nationality probably at your country's embassy in NL.

     

    Regards...

     

     

    This post was edited by flevoland at February 15, 2012 9:34:30 AM CET
  • February 10, 2012 1:43:41 PM CET
    in the topic KM -> PR -> Citizenship in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands

    christianbarth said:

     

    For example, the analysis of the form in question missed the point that the real purpose of the second test (the six month contract situation) is to accomodate employees of temp agencies and uitzendbureaus who routinely get contracts of short and varying duration. 

     

    It wasn't intended to cover people with less than a full year on their annual contracts, although it might look like that to the uninitiated.  It's intended to allow people who have worked continuously for three years on very short term contracts ranging from days to months with different employers to satisfy the income requirements without a one-year contract. 

     

    The IND assumes everyone else has a year contract at the minimum so you can always apply just before your next contract year starts, instead of looking for a special exception to let you file a few months early.

     

    Christian Barth, Attorney

    www.expatlaw.nl


    Till last year I have been working on one permanent contract with one company (no temp agencies and uitzendbureaus). After that I had to change the job and got initially one year contract with another company (again no temp agencies and uitzendbureaus) of which 5 months are already passed.

     

    Now, I have applied for PR including last 3 years jobs (basically two jobs: current and previous one) details. I have also included a letter (in addition to the employer's declaration) from the director of my current company that they are highly satisfied with my performance and so they are going to change this contract to permanent before it ends.

     

    Have I done it right... ?

     

    Regards...

     

     

    This post was edited by flevoland at February 10, 2012 1:43:41 PM CET
  • February 8, 2012 10:34:38 AM CET
    in the topic KM -> PR -> Citizenship in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands
    Iamsterdam said:
    igor said:

    1. you can. You need to have an income at the moment of the application.

    2. just that.

    3/4. One cards serves both. same application.

    5. Yes, you can, as long as you have another RP covering the priod of waiting.

    6. This idea is a good one, yet it costs ~400 eur extra. Permanent RP may take up to 6 month. (I know examples of both 3 month and up to 6 month happening in 2011) Naturalization may take anything from 4 month up to 12 (for the IND only) Again, one need to have a valid RP to cover the period.

    7. You do not send originals anywhere. Gemeente would make a copy of it for 5 eur for the IND. Naturalisation process starts at Gemeente, so they make a copy of it again for free. Cheers.

    hello,

     

    As My question was related to this topic, just thought to repond to this conversation only.

     

    My question is related point no.6, i.e. application for PR and Naturalization at around same time

    I think, if you are applying for naturalization then there is no need to apply for the PR unless your current residence permit is about to expire or you have uncertainty about your job, relationship or some other relevant thing depending upon your situation that could have an adverse effect on the outcome of naturalization app as I believe that getting PR takes around three to max four months and it can easily be that naturalization takes nine months or more.

    -Is the process of Naturalisation faster for the person who already has PR or he / she has applied for PR??

    I think, it might make the job of IND people easier to come up with a conclusion and positive decision if one already has a PR. But I don't think that it would make a lot of difference in the processing time.

    -What if the parents have PR and kids have normal residence permit?

    I think, it does not matter as long as the kids have valid residence permits.

    -Is it must/equired to apply PR for minor kids also if parents apply for it?? otherwise we can atleast save that cost for kids, What is the benifit of PR for kids if they are dependent on parents till the age of 18?

    I think, kids won't have any benifit from PR as long as you are applying for the naturalization for yourself together with your kids. Otherwise you should apply their PR also. Because then you/they won't have to meet any specific conditions for the purpose of stay in NL and won't have to extend but only renew PR and they will be considered EU-students when it comes to paying for their study costs.

    Thanks in advance for your help in this matter, best regards

     

     Regards...

     

     

    This post was edited by flevoland at February 8, 2012 10:34:38 AM CET
  • January 23, 2012 3:21:00 PM CET
    in the topic KM -> PR -> Citizenship in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands

    The only reason why I can't ignore that lawyer's view is that his firm applied and successfully got all my visas/permits so far...

    This post was edited by flevoland at January 23, 2012 3:21:00 PM CET
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