August 15, 2007 2:11:42 PM CEST
Ain't showing my teeth. I am perfectly calm in case you didn't notice (then again, it is hard to tell over the internet).
For the record, I find it not at all disturbing to read that some of the foreigners here don't like how (some) dutch people behave. What I do find disturbing is that they seem to assume The Dutch are socially retarded.
I do not experience ANY of the rude shopkeepers and shoving around in trains that you are talking about. I have known many foreigners and they have never had any complaints concerning stuff like this. Some of my best friends are foreign. All they whine about is the weather. They claim to love the people here and the way people treat them.
So what DO you base your conclusions on - if not the forum-dwellers?
Oh, and I can atleast thank you for bothering to reply in a normal fashion, unlike the two people before you (who were pretty rude btw. Why not set a good example for a poor socially retarded dutchman like myself? ;/)
But can’t you see how badly this reflects on you? Just because you haven’t experienced ANY rude shopkeepers doesn’t mean there aren’t any. It’s just a ridiculous statement and is tantamount to calling us all liars. This is my pet peeve when people come out with – well it hasn’t happened to me so it can’t be true! How shallow and narrow minded, not to mention selfish and self serving.
Maybe the ‘many’ foreigners you have known don’t want to embarrass you so would rather tell you the good things rather than the bad – have you thought of this? Also if I came from a place which was politically unstable and poor, the fact there is rude shopkeepers would be the last thing I would complain about as I guess they are just thankful to be here.
I’m sorry, but this sort of statement just reinforces the stereotype of a Dutch person – in denial to the experiences of other people (unless it happens to them), and an unwillingness to recognise the short falls of their country.
When we say socially retarded it’s not saying you are mentally retarded – we are referring to your lack of social graces and inappropriate behaviour when in the company of others (except of course a fellow Dutch person who wouldn’t of course notice).
Politeness, humility, manners and kindness doesn’t cost anything, but goes to make a far more tolerant society, and I’m afraid to say it’s severely lacking in this country.
You have to remember that a lot of us have partners who are Dutch and are part of a Dutch extended family, so we do know what goes on in the inner circles of Dutch society – this doesn’t apply to people who come over on a 3 year contract, are single and just drink and mix with other ex-pats and may be just meet a few Dutch in the bars occasionally.