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  • sabetsu
    sabetsu replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    I think you should be able to just call the IND quickly and ask them, or look on their website. I would assume you can apply for the passport before your five-year permit is up, but I really don't know.
    • August 28, 2012
  • sabetsu
    sabetsu replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    Well Jeremy, I'll see what I can do about that. I at least have an appointment with the Juridisch Loket on Wednesday. It's not what I wanted to hear, but I'm glad you have the answers, or at least a guideline, to what I need to do. Thanks for the valuable...  moreWell Jeremy, I'll see what I can do about that. I at least have an appointment with the Juridisch Loket on Wednesday. It's not what I wanted to hear, but I'm glad you have the answers, or at least a guideline, to what I need to do. Thanks for the valuable information.
     
    EDIT: Oh yeah, just one more thing. Say that I apply in September for my new verblijfsvergunning. If it's approved, we wouldn't need to get a registered partnership since it's before 1 October, or we would since it would get approved after 1 October? And we wouldn't have to do everything on the same day in a big rush, even though we should do everything as quickly as possible, since it doesn't matter anymore if there is a gap, right?  less
    • August 16, 2012
  • sabetsu
    sabetsu replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    Mvn, I can't get an independent permit until like a year from now due to my permit being issued a year after I got here and it not being retroactive as to when I applied. I can type in the piece from the letter from the IND if you want, from when I got th...  moreMvn, I can't get an independent permit until like a year from now due to my permit being issued a year after I got here and it not being retroactive as to when I applied. I can type in the piece from the letter from the IND if you want, from when I got the permit, but just believe me on this. It's because we didn't actually meet the requirements until that date that I was awarded the permit on, so they don't count the time before that.  
    • August 16, 2012
  • sabetsu
    sabetsu replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    • August 16, 2012
  • sabetsu
    sabetsu posted a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    Changing partners - advice?
    I would like to transfer my sponsorship to another partner.
     
    Do I need to use the form 'Verblijfsdoel Wijzigen'?
     ...  more
    I would like to transfer my sponsorship to another partner.
     
    Do I need to use the form 'Verblijfsdoel Wijzigen'?
     
    Does it count as a totally new permit, where I need to pay an additional 1250/whatever euro even though I am not changing my purpose of stay but rather my sponsor and partner?
     
    I am here for three years but my permit is only valid since two years ago. If I register with my new partner and at his address, well... how do I ask this? What do I do first? Do I first inform the IND or do I first register at his house? Will that cause a gap in residency? I want to be able to naturalise next year as initially intended.
     
    If I change my sponsor on or after 1 October, will the new five year rule be applied to me instead of the three year one I came in on?
     
    Do we need to apply to the change of permit and the registering and our partnership all on the same day he gets his new contract for one year?
     
    And just to clear this up, no, it's not a sham relationship, so don't go there ...    less
    • August 16, 2012
  • sabetsu
    sabetsu replied to a topic in the forum Dutch News:
    Those are some of the chances you have to take when hiring people and abiding by human rights. But isn't this why we have proefperiodes of 30-90 days? So that there isn't a huge initial investment being lost with that individual if they decide to leave af...  moreThose are some of the chances you have to take when hiring people and abiding by human rights. But isn't this why we have proefperiodes of 30-90 days? So that there isn't a huge initial investment being lost with that individual if they decide to leave after three days?
    Someone's employability needs to be judged off of the basis of their character and their qualifications or willingness and ambition to learn and maintain those qualifications.
    I don't want to see welfare shamed here like it is in the US. It's something temporary to help people get on their feet and to stay healthy and unstressed while they look for work or get better so that they can look for work in the future. It doesn't mean they are lazy. In fact this is only adding to the problem of 'generations on welfare'. You deny a whole class some things everyone else takes for granted such as daily responsibility of having a job, and then you get frustrated when they won't work or don't have the skills to work.
    Everyone needs to be given the opportuni...    less
    • August 11, 2012
  • sabetsu
    sabetsu replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    I'm obviously not a lawyer like Jeremy, but here's my best guess:
    The KM permit should not have any bearing on the family reunification permit, EXCEPT perhaps in the case of when your time starts rolling for your naturalisation since you began your reside...  more
    I'm obviously not a lawyer like Jeremy, but here's my best guess:
    The KM permit should not have any bearing on the family reunification permit, EXCEPT perhaps in the case of when your time starts rolling for your naturalisation since you began your residency in this country earlier. However Jeremy mentioned the three conditions that had to be met, all of them conditional upon one another. That date will probably begin when you received your residence permit based on family reunification and verblijf bij partner. It should state in your approval letter from the IND that you are to use this date from the time when you are eligible for naturalisation.  less
    • April 25, 2012
  • sabetsu
    sabetsu replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    It wasn't included in the revisions that the IND had their PR department release about a month ago. Those revisions had more to do with blocking non-married immigrants from rejoining with Dutch partners except in cases of legal impossibiility to marry in ...  moreIt wasn't included in the revisions that the IND had their PR department release about a month ago. Those revisions had more to do with blocking non-married immigrants from rejoining with Dutch partners except in cases of legal impossibiility to marry in the country of origin of the BP (buitenlandse partner), for example, it is a same-sex marriage.
    I might also add that the Cabinet has fallen on the weekend. I am not sure, but I think until that gets cleared up, no new laws are going to be passed. The opposition is calling for elections.  less
    • April 25, 2012
  • sabetsu
    sabetsu replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    According to this part:
    "The temporary marriage license can be applied for starting on 1 July 2012. It must be noted and made completely clear that one must not be legally able to marry in their country of origin. It must be a legal impossibility. For exa...  more
    According to this part:
    "The temporary marriage license can be applied for starting on 1 July 2012. It must be noted and made completely clear that one must not be legally able to marry in their country of origin. It must be a legal impossibility. For exampl,e if under legislation in the land of origin that it is not possible to conduct a marriage between two partners of the same sex."
    It is not hurting those of the same sex. In fact it states outright that if it is a legal impossibility for two partners to get married in the land of origin, for example because gay marriage is not allowed there, then you may do it here with the temporary marriage permit with which you have six months to get married or enter into a registered relationship. If you've done that within six months then you can apply for a change of residence permit.  less
    • April 13, 2012
  • sabetsu
    sabetsu replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    Full translation (by me, with a little help from Lazarus translation):
     
    "Publication of Family Migration Measures (Effective 1 July 2012)IntroductionIn the coalition and tolerance agreement of 30 September 2010, a number of measures have been added in the field of family migration. These measures have been published on 11 April 2012 in the Staatsblad and will go into effect on 1 July 2012.The MeasuresThe measures are as follows:Family Reunification and Family Formation
    Family Reunification and formation are only possible if both partners are married (to each other). Unmarried partners cannot submit an application for family reunification or formation. An exception applies for partners who, in their country of origin, may not marry (see 'temporary marriage permit')....  more
    Full translation (by me, with a little help from Lazarus translation):
     
    "Publication of Family Migration Measures (Effective 1 July 2012)IntroductionIn the coalition and tolerance agreement of 30 September 2010, a number of measures have been added in the field of family migration. These measures have been published on 11 April 2012 in the Staatsblad and will go into effect on 1 July 2012.The MeasuresThe measures are as follows:Family Reunification and Family Formation
    Family Reunification and formation are only possible if both partners are married (to each other). Unmarried partners cannot submit an application for family reunification or formation. An exception applies for partners who, in their country of origin, may not marry (see 'temporary marriage permit').
    The residence purpose 'extended family reunification' ceases to exist.
    Other
    The period over which one becomes eligible for continued residence (or permanent residence) will be changed from 3 to 5 years.
    The period after which it will be assumed...    less
    • April 12, 2012
  • sabetsu
    sabetsu replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    "De termijn om in aanmerking te kunnen komen voor voortgezet verblijf wordt gewijzigd van 3 naar 5 jaar."
     
    The amount of time in which one is eligible for continued residence will be changed from three to five years.
     ...  more
    "De termijn om in aanmerking te kunnen komen voor voortgezet verblijf wordt gewijzigd van 3 naar 5 jaar."
     
    The amount of time in which one is eligible for continued residence will be changed from three to five years.
     
    So, essentially, yes.
     
    Full translation (by me, with a little help from Lazarus translation):
     
    "Publication of Family Migration Measures (Effective 1 July 2012)IntroductionIn the coalition and tolerance agreement of 30 September 2010, a number of measures have been added in the field of family migration. These measures have been published on 11 April 2012 in the Staatsblad and will go into effect on 1 July 2012.The MeasuresThe measures are as follows:Family Reunification and Family Formation
    Family Reunification and formation are only possible if both partners are married (to each other). Unmarried partners cannot submit an application for family reunification or formation. An exception applies for partners who, in their country of origin, may not marry (see 'temporary marri...    less
    • April 12, 2012
  • sabetsu
    sabetsu replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    Thanks for the update, Chimes, I see someone has posted it on the main page of the Legal Problems forum translated into English. Not such good news for a lot of people, I'm sure, but thank you for keeping us up-to-date!
     
    For people with a similar si...  more
    Thanks for the update, Chimes, I see someone has posted it on the main page of the Legal Problems forum translated into English. Not such good news for a lot of people, I'm sure, but thank you for keeping us up-to-date!
     
    For people with a similar situation to me, who already have been issued a residence permit and are waiting to be able to naturalise: " Vreemdelingen die op dit moment het bezit zijn van een verblijfsvergunning voor een verblijfsdoel dat met ingang van 1 juli 2012 komt te vervallen, behouden deze verblijfsvergunning en kunnen deze ook met ingang van 1 juli 2012 verlengen."
     
    Translation: Foreigners who are at this moment in the possession of a residence permit for a purpose of residence which goes into effect from 1 July 2012, may keep this residence permit and can also apply for residence permit extensions.  less
    • April 12, 2012
  • sabetsu
    sabetsu replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    Thank you avocado for the hasty and very useful reply. I don't mind renouncing my US citizenship for personal reasons, but thank you for informing me as well as others who may be in the same situation for whom that very well may be a concern.
    Again, thank...  more
    Thank you avocado for the hasty and very useful reply. I don't mind renouncing my US citizenship for personal reasons, but thank you for informing me as well as others who may be in the same situation for whom that very well may be a concern.
    Again, thank you. Big relief!  
    • April 11, 2012
  • sabetsu
    sabetsu posted a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    Contradictory Information from Immigration Lawyer and IND.
    Hoping to get the hive mind's opinion.
     
    Since it says on the IND's website that after an unbroken chain of 3 years of residency in the Netherlands with a registered partner, with a spouse or with the cohabitation agreement, one would assume that from three years after receiving my residence permit on the basis of my relationship with my partner (juli 2010), that I would be able to apply for naturalisation in July of 2013.
     ...  more
    Hoping to get the hive mind's opinion.
     
    Since it says on the IND's website that after an unbroken chain of 3 years of residency in the Netherlands with a registered partner, with a spouse or with the cohabitation agreement, one would assume that from three years after receiving my residence permit on the basis of my relationship with my partner (juli 2010), that I would be able to apply for naturalisation in July of 2013.
     
    However, due to another circumstance, I had to visit my (immigration) lawyer, and I wanted to check with her. She had said this was only valid if you are married. She didn't have any information on her at the moment and she was sitting in on the proceedings (she is a member of the same law firm of the lawyer my partner and I were seeing) which involved another matter entirely, but which has possible bearing upon my immigration status.
     
    So, have the laws changed very recently? Or has she not checked her facts well enough and spoke without knowing the full truth at the moment? ...    less
    • April 11, 2012
  • sabetsu
    sabetsu replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    Your proof of partnership can be: that he lives with you for six months under the same roof (he can move in with you and either freelance or not work until those six months are up) and the registration at the gemeente will show this when you go to the IND...  moreYour proof of partnership can be: that he lives with you for six months under the same roof (he can move in with you and either freelance or not work until those six months are up) and the registration at the gemeente will show this when you go to the IND, just bring the papers from when you registered him at your address.
     
    EDIT: Not sure if it's six months, but I know that's the point when you become fiscal partners in this country, so.  
    • April 11, 2012
  • sabetsu
    sabetsu replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    Well, I am pretty sure you derive your working rights from your partner. I just wanted to make sure you were both over 21. The situation is pretty advantageous to you both considering your ages and nationalities. Anyways, since he is an EU citizen, he has...  moreWell, I am pretty sure you derive your working rights from your partner. I just wanted to make sure you were both over 21. The situation is pretty advantageous to you both considering your ages and nationalities. Anyways, since he is an EU citizen, he has the right to live here if he wants due to the EU guaranteed right to freedom of movement, residence and employment, they shouldn't make anything difficult about it especially since you are his partner and earn well, etc. The only thing is that he would need to have a work permit because he is Romanian, or would need to do freelance work. But like I said, if you are registered partners, he should derive his working rights from you. I hope someone else can elaborate more on this, because I come from outside the EU and am therefore not as well versed in these matters as some others may be.  less
    • April 11, 2012
  • sabetsu
    sabetsu replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    I won't pretend I know anything about those kinds of permits, but if it works, it works. Anyone could at least try.
    • April 11, 2012
  • sabetsu
    sabetsu replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    How long ago did those people trade in their residence permits? Just a thought.
    • April 10, 2012
  • sabetsu
    sabetsu replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    First of all, how old are you both? Secondly, are you married? Also, is one or both of you an EU citizen?
    • April 10, 2012
  • sabetsu
    sabetsu replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    You can probably find this out by calling the gemeente in which you reside, they can most likely give you those answers. I think in most cases it's any child under 18 (21?) who resides with you. But you'd have to ask them about what happens if the child d...  moreYou can probably find this out by calling the gemeente in which you reside, they can most likely give you those answers. I think in most cases it's any child under 18 (21?) who resides with you. But you'd have to ask them about what happens if the child doesn't live with you, etc.  
    • February 25, 2012
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  • August 28, 2012 10:01:35 AM CEST
    in the topic Permanent residence application - when to apply? in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands
    I think you should be able to just call the IND quickly and ask them, or look on their website. I would assume you can apply for the passport before your five-year permit is up, but I really don't know.
  • August 16, 2012 4:15:01 PM CEST
    in the topic Changing partners - advice? in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands

    Well Jeremy, I'll see what I can do about that. I at least have an appointment with the Juridisch Loket on Wednesday. It's not what I wanted to hear, but I'm glad you have the answers, or at least a guideline, to what I need to do. Thanks for the valuable information.

     

    EDIT: Oh yeah, just one more thing. Say that I apply in September for my new verblijfsvergunning. If it's approved, we wouldn't need to get a registered partnership since it's before 1 October, or we would since it would get approved after 1 October? And we wouldn't have to do everything on the same day in a big rush, even though we should do everything as quickly as possible, since it doesn't matter anymore if there is a gap, right?

    This post was edited by sabetsu at August 16, 2012 4:15:01 PM CEST
  • August 16, 2012 3:07:38 PM CEST
    in the topic Changing partners - advice? in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands

    Mvn, I can't get an independent permit until like a year from now due to my permit being issued a year after I got here and it not being retroactive as to when I applied. I can type in the piece from the letter from the IND if you want, from when I got the permit, but just believe me on this. It's because we didn't actually meet the requirements until that date that I was awarded the permit on, so they don't count the time before that.

    This post was edited by sabetsu at August 16, 2012 3:07:38 PM CEST
  • August 16, 2012 2:01:13 PM CEST
    in the topic Changing partners - advice? in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands

    I would like to transfer my sponsorship to another partner.

     

    Do I need to use the form 'Verblijfsdoel Wijzigen'?

     

    Does it count as a totally new permit, where I need to pay an additional 1250/whatever euro even though I am not changing my purpose of stay but rather my sponsor and partner?

     

    I am here for three years but my permit is only valid since two years ago. If I register with my new partner and at his address, well... how do I ask this? What do I do first? Do I first inform the IND or do I first register at his house? Will that cause a gap in residency? I want to be able to naturalise next year as initially intended.

     

    If I change my sponsor on or after 1 October, will the new five year rule be applied to me instead of the three year one I came in on?

     

    Do we need to apply to the change of permit and the registering and our partnership all on the same day he gets his new contract for one year?

     

    And just to clear this up, no, it's not a sham relationship, so don't go there please.

     

    I would really appreciate any information which is helpful regarding my situation. Thanks for reading, everyone.

    This post was edited by sabetsu at August 16, 2012 2:01:13 PM CEST
  • August 11, 2012 11:11:45 AM CEST
    in the topic if you are on welfare, you need not apply in the forum Dutch News
    Those are some of the chances you have to take when hiring people and abiding by human rights. But isn't this why we have proefperiodes of 30-90 days? So that there isn't a huge initial investment being lost with that individual if they decide to leave after three days? Someone's employability needs to be judged off of the basis of their character and their qualifications or willingness and ambition to learn and maintain those qualifications. I don't want to see welfare shamed here like it is in the US. It's something temporary to help people get on their feet and to stay healthy and unstressed while they look for work or get better so that they can look for work in the future. It doesn't mean they are lazy. In fact this is only adding to the problem of 'generations on welfare'. You deny a whole class some things everyone else takes for granted such as daily responsibility of having a job, and then you get frustrated when they won't work or don't have the skills to work. Everyone needs to be given the opportunity and the support to be able to be successful, it's a societal effort as much as it's a personal one. No one is saying that business owners / entrepreneurs should be driving their businesses into the ground for the 'common good' of helping those in need, but you can't cut off a whole sector of society, most of whom have fallen on bad times. Even if they haven't fallen on bad times and come from a family on welfare, isn't it better for them to learn marketable skills? Can't you conduct an interview and learn if they are just lazy and will probably amount to nothing or if they really are something? This is just ridiculous. This post was edited by sabetsu at August 11, 2012 11:11:45 AM CEST
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