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  • avocado
    avocado replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    AhmedHassan said: I found here something maybe helps. http://www.everaert.nl/en/news/16-particulieren/194-verblijf-ongehuwde-partners-eu-onderdanen-na-verbreking-relatie
    That would only help you in your case if you had stayed together with your partner fo...  more
    AhmedHassan said: I found here something maybe helps. http://www.everaert.nl/en/news/16-particulieren/194-verblijf-ongehuwde-partners-eu-onderdanen-na-verbreking-relatie
    That would only help you in your case if you had stayed together with your partner for three years. It is unclear to me from your original posting if you have broken up with your partner or if you are still in a romantic relationship with your partner (only living apart), but if you broke up with your partner after 1.5 years then there is no hope for you, I'm sorry to say. Too many people make the mistake of thinking "woohoo! I have a five-year permit now" and then they think they no longer have to maintain the situation that got them that residence status. That is a fatal mistake.
     
    (I'm not going to answer the question of the poster who intervened in this thread, not only is that question not relevant to this thread but it is one of those questions that I am not inclined to answer, it's too personal and specific a problem for my answer to...    less
    • May 16
  • avocado
    avocado replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    Tony2012 said:
    avocado said:
    AhmedHassan said:
    I'm non EU citizen in a relation with non DUTCH EU citizen...  more
    Tony2012 said:
    avocado said:
    AhmedHassan said:
    I'm non EU citizen in a relation with non DUTCH EU citizen
    Histroy
    i have a 5 years card based on our relation in 2008 ( EU recht ) .we lived toghether in same adress in GBA for 1.5 years
    TILL 2010
    I moved alone to another adress due to landlord not allowed us to register together.
    Our relationship very good, traveling together , still some post in her adress on my name
    Now my card will expire soon and i'm afraid when i apply for permanent residence facing a problem due to
    adress not same in GBA .
    Can anyone clarify these for me or point me to the most up to date info on the web? Many thanks!
    Oh dear. That was not wise to register at a different address than your partner, since if your status was based on having a relationship with an EU citizen (and not a marriage or a registered partnership), then you were expected to continue to live together for the duration, until you gained the right of permanent residence. What I would recommend, however, is the following: ju...    less
    • May 13
  • avocado
    avocado replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    AhmedHassan said:
    I'm non EU citizen in a relation with non DUTCH EU citizen
    Histroy
    i have a 5 years card based on our relation in 2008 ( EU recht ) .we lived toghether in same adress in GBA for 1.5 years...  more
    AhmedHassan said:
    I'm non EU citizen in a relation with non DUTCH EU citizen
    Histroy
    i have a 5 years card based on our relation in 2008 ( EU recht ) .we lived toghether in same adress in GBA for 1.5 years
    TILL 2010
    I moved alone to another adress due to landlord not allowed us to register together.
    Our relationship very good, traveling together , still some post in her adress on my name
    Now my card will expire soon and i'm afraid when i apply for permanent residence facing a problem due to
    adress not same in GBA .
    Can anyone clarify these for me or point me to the most up to date info on the web? Many thanks!
    Oh dear. That was not wise to register at a different address than your partner, since if your status was based on having a relationship with an EU citizen (and not a marriage or a registered partnership), then you were expected to continue to live together for the duration, until you gained the right of permanent residence. What I would recommend, however, is the following: just go ahead and apply for per...    less
    • May 13
  • avocado
    avocado replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    SamShine said:This is indeed a good news :) Thanks. "The practice shows that the IND applies the same method for permanent residence permits on the basis of national law". If I understand correctly, if a KM (who was student in the last 4 years and KM for just 1 year) had a gap in residency, he/she would still be eligible for permanent resident permit on the basis of national law. Am I correct?
    No. Read carefully. It has to be a certain kind of gap. I will give a simple example:
     
    You had a student residence permit that was valid until 1 September 2012. Then you found a job with an employer who could sponsor you as a kennismigrant. But your employer did not put in the paperwork for you to get a residence permit as a kennismigrant until 3 September 2012. That is still a fatal gap. In other words, if you let your residence permit completely lapse and do not do anything before that time to get a new residence permit, you lose all the time you had saved up until then....  more
    SamShine said:This is indeed a good news :) Thanks. "The practice shows that the IND applies the same method for permanent residence permits on the basis of national law". If I understand correctly, if a KM (who was student in the last 4 years and KM for just 1 year) had a gap in residency, he/she would still be eligible for permanent resident permit on the basis of national law. Am I correct?
    No. Read carefully. It has to be a certain kind of gap. I will give a simple example:
     
    You had a student residence permit that was valid until 1 September 2012. Then you found a job with an employer who could sponsor you as a kennismigrant. But your employer did not put in the paperwork for you to get a residence permit as a kennismigrant until 3 September 2012. That is still a fatal gap. In other words, if you let your residence permit completely lapse and do not do anything before that time to get a new residence permit, you lose all the time you had saved up until then.
     
    Now I will give an example where the ...    less
    • May 9
  • avocado
    avocado replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    yogini said:
    Hi, guys I have the same question. I'm intending to study a Masters and I will have my permanent residence soon, I'm also with a Dutch national and my understanding is that, by extension, I get the same fees that he would have to pay, BUT, we went the Belgian route so we are living in Antwerp, thus I am applying to Belgian Universities, and I guess I'm sort of assuming that the same thing should happen here... I guess I'm wondering if this is a rule for all of the European Union. Is it?
     
    I would highly appreciate some light on this matter!...  more
    yogini said:
    Hi, guys I have the same question. I'm intending to study a Masters and I will have my permanent residence soon, I'm also with a Dutch national and my understanding is that, by extension, I get the same fees that he would have to pay, BUT, we went the Belgian route so we are living in Antwerp, thus I am applying to Belgian Universities, and I guess I'm sort of assuming that the same thing should happen here... I guess I'm wondering if this is a rule for all of the European Union. Is it?
     
    I would highly appreciate some light on this matter!
    I don't know why no one seems to be able to figure out how to send me an email when they have an urgent question for me...
     
    Yes, this is a rule of EU law. EU citizens making use of their right to freedom of movement AND their family members are entitled to equal treatment with nationals of the host member state. That means that you pay the same tuition as Belgian citizens pay, in your case.  less
    • May 8
  • avocado
    avocado replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    ldyparadox99 said:I believe a new requirement for nationality is proof that you at least minimum wage and you have spent 2 years attending some sort of professional/vocational training or have been working.
    No. The government has made noises about changing the law to introduce this requirement, but it has not yet even introduced a bill to Parliament.
     
    Always remember: despite the fact that it may appear sometimes that the government of the Netherlands can change rules and requirements at the drop of a hat, more often than not this is not the case. Especially where a statute (a law on the books) has to be changed, there is quite a bit of due process of legislation involved in doing that, involving vetting of the bill by the Council of State, months or years of debate in both houses of Parliament, and in cases where the nationality statute is involved, consulting with the other countries in the Kingdom of the Netherlands (Curaçao, Aruba and Sint Maarten)....  more
    ldyparadox99 said:I believe a new requirement for nationality is proof that you at least minimum wage and you have spent 2 years attending some sort of professional/vocational training or have been working.
    No. The government has made noises about changing the law to introduce this requirement, but it has not yet even introduced a bill to Parliament.
     
    Always remember: despite the fact that it may appear sometimes that the government of the Netherlands can change rules and requirements at the drop of a hat, more often than not this is not the case. Especially where a statute (a law on the books) has to be changed, there is quite a bit of due process of legislation involved in doing that, involving vetting of the bill by the Council of State, months or years of debate in both houses of Parliament, and in cases where the nationality statute is involved, consulting with the other countries in the Kingdom of the Netherlands (Curaçao, Aruba and Sint Maarten).
     
    To come back to the original question:
    ...    less
    • May 8
  • avocado
    avocado replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    Shortrib said:
    Hi there:  A question for Avocado - have you any update on the appeals you mention in your last post on this thread? 
     
    In November 2008 I was given 5 years by the Gemeente Amsterdam to take the inburgering exam (deadline is Feb 2014).  (I met with the Gemeente when they originally contacted me, and did not sign up for the classes but told them I would self-study.) ...  more
    Shortrib said:
    Hi there:  A question for Avocado - have you any update on the appeals you mention in your last post on this thread? 
     
    In November 2008 I was given 5 years by the Gemeente Amsterdam to take the inburgering exam (deadline is Feb 2014).  (I met with the Gemeente when they originally contacted me, and did not sign up for the classes but told them I would self-study.) 
     
    Subsequently, I received my permanent residence card (EU langdurig ingezetene) in November 2009.  Am I still required to inburger according to the deadline?
     
    Thanks a lot!
    I had the hearing before the Centrale Raad van Beroep (the highest court in these matters) almost two weeks ago. The decision will come out sometime in June. This was the higher appeal against two lower court judgments against clients of mine (including this one: http://zoeken.rechtspraak.nl/resultpage.aspx?snelzoeken=true&searchtype=ljn&ljn=BT7055 ) in which the courts had ruled that persons with the status 'langdurig ingez...    less
    • May 8
  • avocado
    avocado replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    Tony2012 said:
    Dear all,
    I will apply the Permonent Resident Permit later this year.
    And I am over 30 Year old....  more
    Tony2012 said:
    Dear all,
    I will apply the Permonent Resident Permit later this year.
    And I am over 30 Year old.
    I ask the University to check if I can pay the same Tuition Fee as Dutch Nationality after I get the Permonent Resident Permit.
    The University tell me as below:
    You have indeed the right to pay 1,835 euro with your permanent residence permit. However, you must also have the right at " Studiefinanciering"  our governent grant.
    Based on DUO Rule, I have older than 30Year, so I can't apply for Studiefinanciering.
    But I really only care the Tuition Fee, if I can have the same Tuition Fee Right as the
    Dutch Nationality or not?
    Could you please kindly support to answer this question?
    Thanks in advance.
    Tony 
    The "Make That The Cat Wise" answer of the university was logically imprecise. It is true that the law that determines who is eligible for the statutory tuition (Wet op het hoger onderwijs en wetenschappelijk onderzoek, art. 7.45a) refers to the law on student financing to determine who is...    less
    • April 12
  • avocado
    avocado replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    SusieGregson said:
    Hi all, 
     
    I'm a bit lost and hoping for some help.  I have entered the Netherlands with a working holiday visa MVV.  ...  more
    SusieGregson said:
    Hi all, 
     
    I'm a bit lost and hoping for some help.  I have entered the Netherlands with a working holiday visa MVV.  
     
    I have my residency permit appointment on Thursday.  The IND sent me a 'Verblijfsvergunning regulier zonder mvv of wijzing verblijfsdoel' form, but after a little digging this seems to me to be the incorrect form to fill in as I already have an MVV.  I believe that I need to fill in a '
    Application for a Residence Permit with a Regular Provisional Residence Permit' form.  The one part of this form that confuses me is point 2 'Details of the Sponsor'.  I don't have a sponsor and I'm staying in a vacation apartment - am I able to leave this section blank without consequence?
     
    Any help much appreciated!
     
    Yes, leave it blank. Note that this form is a 'universal' application form for at least 30 different purposes of stay, so a lot of it is going to be completely irrelevant for you. For a working holiday residence...    less
    • April 11
  • avocado
    avocado replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    AgustinArduc said:
    Hello Jeremy!Thanks very much for your very useful answer.*I'm from Venezuela and my partner from Lithuania.1- About the registration with the GBA: We just have register there, cause we changed apartment the last march 1, and in the pre...  more
    AgustinArduc said:
    Hello Jeremy!Thanks very much for your very useful answer.*I'm from Venezuela and my partner from Lithuania.1- About the registration with the GBA: We just have register there, cause we changed apartment the last march 1, and in the previous apartment we couldn't register (Because of requirement of the landlord was no REGISTER ALLOW) and the rental contract figure only the name of my partner.2- About other proof such as plane tickets, hotels, holidays: We have everything of that, several holidays etc. and so many pictures etc also.3- About Single Statement and Birth Certificate: what did u say about it was really good, but unfortunately we got already all that documents and had spend time and money doing it.Finishing this i wanna ask you something, do you think will be ok if we start the process now? I mean having all kind of proof (personal like holidays, pictures, friends statement about our relationship etc) but no having been register in the GBA over 6 months ?.
    Yes, in fact you must start...    less
    • April 11
  • avocado
    avocado replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    Oh dear... questions like this really put a strain on my sense of public duty. I am glad that I have been able to be one of the few qualified professionals who has been able to answer questions on this forum and that I helped people realize that you can't always get the right answer just by asking people what their own experience has been with Dutch immigration law, but now it's really gotten out of control. It's gotten so that it's turned into the 'avocado forum', because I really can't stand to see misinformation being spread and I can't resist responding (and so people can generally expect that I will respond, eventually), and, for that matter, it keeps my work interesting because I don't have to privately answer the same basic questions over and over again.
     
    I am in the law because I enjoy the public service aspect of it, not because I am out to make a buck, but really-- if you are a kennismigrant over 30 and getting the 30% ruling, you are very likely making a lot more money than I am as a "social" la...  ...  more
    Oh dear... questions like this really put a strain on my sense of public duty. I am glad that I have been able to be one of the few qualified professionals who has been able to answer questions on this forum and that I helped people realize that you can't always get the right answer just by asking people what their own experience has been with Dutch immigration law, but now it's really gotten out of control. It's gotten so that it's turned into the 'avocado forum', because I really can't stand to see misinformation being spread and I can't resist responding (and so people can generally expect that I will respond, eventually), and, for that matter, it keeps my work interesting because I don't have to privately answer the same basic questions over and over again.
     
    I am in the law because I enjoy the public service aspect of it, not because I am out to make a buck, but really-- if you are a kennismigrant over 30 and getting the 30% ruling, you are very likely making a lot more money than I am as a "social" la...    less
    • April 5
  • avocado
    avocado replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    saggar81 said:
    Hi,
    I am working as KM in Netherlands. But I have got an offer from one company who wants me to work for 15 hours per week. The company is willing to apply for TWV for me.
     ...  more
    saggar81 said:
    Hi,
    I am working as KM in Netherlands. But I have got an offer from one company who wants me to work for 15 hours per week. The company is willing to apply for TWV for me.
     
    I have to say, to start with-- good luck to them if they think they can get a TWV for you just like that. The TWV procedure has been made so arduous and strict that it's almost impossible. (The Dutch government's policy is basically to funnel as much labor migration as possible through the kennismigrant system and make the TWV procedure practically obsolete.)
     
    My question:
    1. Can't I work for the new employer (who is willing to sponsor TWV) on the basis of my current KM permit so that I don't need TWV?
     
    No.
     
    2. If not, can I have more than one permit? One KM permit and other TWV?
     
    Sure you can. Actually, you are not even the holder of a TWV if one is issued with your name on it. (That's why I never use the term "work permit" for a TWV, it makes things just too confusing.) Your (second) employer is ...    less
    • April 4
  • avocado
    avocado replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    sureshtvn said:
    Hi,
     
    I have applied for my wife MVV in the month of Novemeber 2012 and the positive decession was made on Dec 30 2012....  more
    sureshtvn said:
    Hi,
     
    I have applied for my wife MVV in the month of Novemeber 2012 and the positive decession was made on Dec 30 2012.
     
    Recently I came to know about the fee reductions that IND has announced and I also came to know that they are going to refund the MVV fee applied after oct 9 2012 in case of family re-union i.e. spouse and kid joining the applicant.
     
    Is the new true? if it's true then can you please guide me the steps to get refund.
     
    I have applied thorugh my payroll company and they didn't pay me or didn't even told me about this till now.
     
    Any response will be of great help to me. 
    The IND is currently refunding all "overpaid" fees since the time of the relevant court judgment. They are doing it automatically, you don't have to apply for it.
     
    But there is something confusing about your story-- it sounds like you are a kennismigrant and your employer paid the fee for you (as is the way it has to be done when the family members of a kennismigran...    less
    • April 4
  • avocado
    avocado replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    manush33 said:thanks for the responses. I think the easiest solution would be to update my application (before the decision is made) and co-naturalization the baby. I have a further question - in case of co-naturalization application - 1. Does the baby first need to receive Indian passport before the co-naturalization process can start? 2. Can I apply for co-naturalization based solely on the birth certificate of the baby, since the birth is expected to be here in The Netherlands. The option 1 is the long winded route, do you have any insights on if option 2 is possible that allows me not to apply first for Indian citizenship for the baby.
    Note that I detect a certain confusion between the concepts of having a "passport" from a certain country and having the "citizenship" of a certain country, which is very common. (For instance, people talk all the time about "applying for a Dutch passport" when they mean "applying for Dutch citizenship".)
     
    In your child's case, your child is already an Indian citizen by ...  ...  more
    manush33 said:thanks for the responses. I think the easiest solution would be to update my application (before the decision is made) and co-naturalization the baby. I have a further question - in case of co-naturalization application - 1. Does the baby first need to receive Indian passport before the co-naturalization process can start? 2. Can I apply for co-naturalization based solely on the birth certificate of the baby, since the birth is expected to be here in The Netherlands. The option 1 is the long winded route, do you have any insights on if option 2 is possible that allows me not to apply first for Indian citizenship for the baby.
    Note that I detect a certain confusion between the concepts of having a "passport" from a certain country and having the "citizenship" of a certain country, which is very common. (For instance, people talk all the time about "applying for a Dutch passport" when they mean "applying for Dutch citizenship".)
     
    In your child's case, your child is already an Indian citizen by ...    less
    • April 2
  • avocado
    avocado replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    trufflina said:
    Hi everyone,
    I have some questions which are affecting my future plans, so would be glad if you can give me an advice on this.
    I am living and working in the NL for the last 7 years, and recently I got my 5 year long residence permit. I am a Turkish citizen. I am married with Turkish citizen guy who is working in Brussels (resident of Belgium). We are now planning to have a baby....  more
    trufflina said:
    Hi everyone,
    I have some questions which are affecting my future plans, so would be glad if you can give me an advice on this.
    I am living and working in the NL for the last 7 years, and recently I got my 5 year long residence permit. I am a Turkish citizen. I am married with Turkish citizen guy who is working in Brussels (resident of Belgium). We are now planning to have a baby.
    I want to give birth in Turkey as our families are living there. In addition, as far as I understood, our baby can not have a Dutch passport since both of us are Turkish, so I do not see the point of giving bith in the Netherlands. Of course, after I give birth, I want to come back to the Netherlands with my baby and go on working/living here.
    Therefore, I want to ask about the procedure that is waiting for me. After I give birth in Turkey, can I bring my baby to the NL without any residence permit ? Are we going to apply for a pasport then a schengen visa for him/her; is this enough ? Or is...    less
    • April 2
  • avocado
    avocado replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    AgustinArduc said:
    Hello everyone;
    Im a No-EU citizen starting the processe of Verification Against EU Law with my EU citizen partner, we have got so far all oficial document like birth certificate, single statement (legalize and apostille) + documents from the job of my partner here in the Netherlands.
    My question is 1- HOW CAN WE PROOF OUR LONG-TERM RELATIONSHIP AS WELL AS LIVING TOGETHER? we have just got our new Contract agreement with both names (recently new house) and before we have the contract agreement with only his name, also we dont have bank account with both names, bills with both names neither, there are some other ways to proof our long-term relationship? we had been together around over 1 year already....  more
    AgustinArduc said:
    Hello everyone;
    Im a No-EU citizen starting the processe of Verification Against EU Law with my EU citizen partner, we have got so far all oficial document like birth certificate, single statement (legalize and apostille) + documents from the job of my partner here in the Netherlands.
    My question is 1- HOW CAN WE PROOF OUR LONG-TERM RELATIONSHIP AS WELL AS LIVING TOGETHER? we have just got our new Contract agreement with both names (recently new house) and before we have the contract agreement with only his name, also we dont have bank account with both names, bills with both names neither, there are some other ways to proof our long-term relationship? we had been together around over 1 year already.
     
    Have you been registered as living at his address in the GBA? Of course, that would presume that you have already had some kind of legal status in the Netherlands. If you have already been registered at his address for 6 months, then the IND will accept that as sufficient proof of a long-te...    less
    • April 2
  • avocado
    avocado replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    Um-- is this really a question for a public forum?
    Jeremy Bierbach, LLM
    www.immigrate.nl
    • March 21
  • avocado
    avocado replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    nycvisa said:hi Jeremy, I have a bit of a related question that I hope you can help with. I am currently a Knolwedge Migrant, so I have the knowledge migrant visa in the NL, and have been employed on it for the past two years. Now I am looking to move to ...  morenycvisa said:hi Jeremy, I have a bit of a related question that I hope you can help with. I am currently a Knolwedge Migrant, so I have the knowledge migrant visa in the NL, and have been employed on it for the past two years. Now I am looking to move to the UK with another employer, and was looking to find out whether I can simply transfer my highly skilled migrant visa to the UK. I know that this is a bit unrelated maybe to your specialty, but I did see you mentioning that once the right of work has been granted and executed for more than 12 months in a member state country, the employee is free to move around in the Union. Am i understanding this correctly to mean that I can move to the UK with the same highly skilled migrant visa? I would very much appreciate your response.
    This might not be an appropriate thread for this question--but here goes.
     
    NO. A kennismigrant residence permit is not transferable to any other EU country. Its validity is limited to the territory of the Netherlands. You are probab...    less
    • March 21
  • avocado
    avocado replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    mastervan said:Hi osita, thanks for the answer! It is not clear yet if my contract will be extended or not so I was just wondering. But what about my residence status? The IND granted me a residence permit until the end of my contract. What happens if it not renewed and I do want to benefit from WW allowance? Is it not linked to my residence status? Thanks!
    If your residence permit expires, you've got a bigger problem than whether or not you can collect WW. You no longer have a right to be in the Netherlands.
     
    Very important to remember: the three month 'cushion' of time to look for a new job when you become unemployed as a kennismigrant does not apply if your contract merely runs its course. The three-month period only applies if you become involuntarily unemployed (i.e., you are laid off due to your employer having economic difficulties or going bankrupt) and you still have a period of validity left on your residence permit. Unfortunately, merely not getting your contract renewed counts as 'voluntary' un...  ...  more
    mastervan said:Hi osita, thanks for the answer! It is not clear yet if my contract will be extended or not so I was just wondering. But what about my residence status? The IND granted me a residence permit until the end of my contract. What happens if it not renewed and I do want to benefit from WW allowance? Is it not linked to my residence status? Thanks!
    If your residence permit expires, you've got a bigger problem than whether or not you can collect WW. You no longer have a right to be in the Netherlands.
     
    Very important to remember: the three month 'cushion' of time to look for a new job when you become unemployed as a kennismigrant does not apply if your contract merely runs its course. The three-month period only applies if you become involuntarily unemployed (i.e., you are laid off due to your employer having economic difficulties or going bankrupt) and you still have a period of validity left on your residence permit. Unfortunately, merely not getting your contract renewed counts as 'voluntary' un...    less
    • March 19
  • avocado
    avocado replied to a topic in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands:
    xandria said:
    Back in January I applied for my PR and finally last week they sent me the bill to pay. My problem is my current residence permit ended last week as well. My question is am I in need of a sticker in my passport saying that I am currently waiting for their decision?
     
    You have a right to a sticker-- you can make an appointment anytime with the IND to get one. As to whether you need one, it all depends on whether you need to prove to anyone that you are legally resident at the moment....  more
    xandria said:
    Back in January I applied for my PR and finally last week they sent me the bill to pay. My problem is my current residence permit ended last week as well. My question is am I in need of a sticker in my passport saying that I am currently waiting for their decision?
     
    You have a right to a sticker-- you can make an appointment anytime with the IND to get one. As to whether you need one, it all depends on whether you need to prove to anyone that you are legally resident at the moment.
     
    And how long is the wait currently for getting a decision?
     
    It can never be said with any certainty at any moment. It can range from 3 to 6 months. 6 months is the absolute legal time limit that the IND has to decide.
     
    I'm possibly going out of the country in May for a few days and wondering if I will need this sticker and if I will also be in need of a return visa? Thanks in advance for any information.
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  • May 16, 2013 10:55:10 AM CEST
    in the topic Samenwoning with EU partner in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands
    AhmedHassan said:
    I found here something maybe helps. http://www.everaert.nl/en/news/16-particulieren/194-verblijf-ongehuwde-partners-eu-onderdanen-na-verbreking-relatie

    That would only help you in your case if you had stayed together with your partner for three years. It is unclear to me from your original posting if you have broken up with your partner or if you are still in a romantic relationship with your partner (only living apart), but if you broke up with your partner after 1.5 years then there is no hope for you, I'm sorry to say. Too many people make the mistake of thinking "woohoo! I have a five-year permit now" and then they think they no longer have to maintain the situation that got them that residence status. That is a fatal mistake.

     

    (I'm not going to answer the question of the poster who intervened in this thread, not only is that question not relevant to this thread but it is one of those questions that I am not inclined to answer, it's too personal and specific a problem for my answer to be of much use to other people, and you really should just hire a lawyer rather than abuse the forum in that way...)

  • May 13, 2013 1:41:28 PM CEST
    in the topic Samenwoning with EU partner in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands
    Tony2012 said:
    avocado said:
    AhmedHassan said:

    I'm non EU citizen in a relation with non DUTCH EU citizen

    Histroy

    i have a 5 years card based on our relation in 2008 ( EU recht ) .we lived toghether in same adress in GBA for 1.5 years

    TILL 2010

    I moved alone to another adress due to landlord not allowed us to register together.

    Our relationship very good, traveling together , still some post in her adress on my name

    Now my card will expire soon and i'm afraid when i apply for permanent residence facing a problem due to

    adress not same in GBA .

    Can anyone clarify these for me or point me to the most up to date info on the web?

    Many thanks!

    Oh dear. That was not wise to register at a different address than your partner, since if your status was based on having a relationship with an EU citizen (and not a marriage or a registered partnership), then you were expected to continue to live together for the duration, until you gained the right of permanent residence. What I would recommend, however, is the following: just go ahead and apply for permanent residence (the special kind for EU citizens and their family members called duurzaam verblijf, which does not have an income or integration requirement) with this form: http://www.ind.nl/en/Customer-Information/Documents/8004.pdf

    You can expect the IND to investigate your current address registration as part of processing your application. If (or more likely, when) they reject your application for permanent residence and retroactively revoke your current residence document to the date that you changed address from the same one as your girlfriend, contact me and I will appeal the decision for you. I am thinking specifically of a court decision of the Council of State in which the Council ruled that the IND sometimes uses a definition of "stable relationship" (the relevant term in EU law) which is too restrictive. If you can supply plenty of evidence that your relationship continued (i.e., the vacations together), even after you were no longer living together, then I think there's a chance we can fight it.

     

     

    Jeremy Bierbach, LLM

    www.immigrate.nl

     

     

    Dear Jeremy,


    If my partner is Netherlands Passport, if also can use or not as below:


    duurzaam verblijf, which does not have an income or integration requirement) with this form: http://www.ind.nl/en/Customer-Information/Documents/8004.pdf


    Thanks very much!


    Tony

    No. Not unless the legal basis of your stay is due to you having accompanied your partner, who is a Dutch citizen, from another EU country before settling in the Netherlands. (I.e., this is usually called the "Europe route" or the "Belgium route" by Dutch citizens who intentionally make use of their rights as an EU citizen in order to help their partner get legal residence under EU law in the Netherlands.)

  • May 13, 2013 10:00:58 AM CEST
    in the topic Samenwoning with EU partner in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands
    AhmedHassan said:

    I'm non EU citizen in a relation with non DUTCH EU citizen

    Histroy

    i have a 5 years card based on our relation in 2008 ( EU recht ) .we lived toghether in same adress in GBA for 1.5 years

    TILL 2010

    I moved alone to another adress due to landlord not allowed us to register together.

    Our relationship very good, traveling together , still some post in her adress on my name

    Now my card will expire soon and i'm afraid when i apply for permanent residence facing a problem due to

    adress not same in GBA .

    Can anyone clarify these for me or point me to the most up to date info on the web?

    Many thanks!

    Oh dear. That was not wise to register at a different address than your partner, since if your status was based on having a relationship with an EU citizen (and not a marriage or a registered partnership), then you were expected to continue to live together for the duration, until you gained the right of permanent residence. What I would recommend, however, is the following: just go ahead and apply for permanent residence (the special kind for EU citizens and their family members called duurzaam verblijf, which does not have an income or integration requirement) with this form: http://www.ind.nl/en/Customer-Information/Documents/8004.pdf

    You can expect the IND to investigate your current address registration as part of processing your application. If (or more likely, when) they reject your application for permanent residence and retroactively revoke your current residence document to the date that you changed address from the same one as your girlfriend, contact me and I will appeal the decision for you. I am thinking specifically of a court decision of the Council of State in which the Council ruled that the IND sometimes uses a definition of "stable relationship" (the relevant term in EU law) which is too restrictive. If you can supply plenty of evidence that your relationship continued (i.e., the vacations together), even after you were no longer living together, then I think there's a chance we can fight it.

     

     

    Jeremy Bierbach, LLM

    www.immigrate.nl

  • May 9, 2013 1:59:02 PM CEST
    in the topic A permanent residence permit despite gap in legal residency? in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands
    SamShine said:
    This is indeed a good news :) Thanks. "The practice shows that the IND applies the same method for permanent residence permits on the basis of national law". If I understand correctly, if a KM (who was student in the last 4 years and KM for just 1 year) had a gap in residency, he/she would still be eligible for permanent resident permit on the basis of national law. Am I correct?

    No. Read carefully. It has to be a certain kind of gap. I will give a simple example:

     

    You had a student residence permit that was valid until 1 September 2012. Then you found a job with an employer who could sponsor you as a kennismigrant. But your employer did not put in the paperwork for you to get a residence permit as a kennismigrant until 3 September 2012. That is still a fatal gap. In other words, if you let your residence permit completely lapse and do not do anything before that time to get a new residence permit, you lose all the time you had saved up until then.

     

    Now I will give an example where the court ruling referred to above does fill a gap for you. You had a student residence permit that was valid until 1 September 2012. On 27 August 2012, your new employer had put in the paperwork for you to get a residence permit as a kennismigrant. But this application was incomplete-- the application was missing something vital that the IND needed to approve the application, like, say, the contract signed by you and your employer or the proof that your employer had always withheld its payroll taxes on time. On 15 September 2012, the IND writes a letter to your employer giving it the opportunity to complete the application with those documents. On 17 September 2012, your employer sends the missing documents to the IND. The IND approves the application for a residence permit as a kennismigrant for you, but only as of 17 September 2012, the day that your employer completed the application. Prior to the court judgment referred to above, this would have meant that you had a gap and had lost all of the years from your student time. But now, you do not get a gap, because you were actually "in process" during the time in between residence permits. Thus the clock (counting toward your five years) stopped for 16 days, but is not reset.

     

    So it's very important to understand this-- you are only protected from getting a gap if you or somebody else started up a procedure with the IND prior to the expiration of your residence permit. If you just let your residence permit lapse (or even if you were trusting your employer to start up a procedure for you, but they failed to do so on time), then you still get a fatal gap.

     

    Jeremy Bierbach, LLM

    www.immigrate.nl

  • May 8, 2013 3:34:38 PM CEST
    in the topic The question of Tuition Fee in the forum Legal Problems in the Netherlands
    yogini said:

    Hi, guys I have the same question. I'm intending to study a Masters and I will have my permanent residence soon, I'm also with a Dutch national and my understanding is that, by extension, I get the same fees that he would have to pay, BUT, we went the Belgian route so we are living in Antwerp, thus I am applying to Belgian Universities, and I guess I'm sort of assuming that the same thing should happen here... I guess I'm wondering if this is a rule for all of the European Union. Is it?

     

    I would highly appreciate some light on this matter!

    I don't know why no one seems to be able to figure out how to send me an email when they have an urgent question for me...

     

    Yes, this is a rule of EU law. EU citizens making use of their right to freedom of movement AND their family members are entitled to equal treatment with nationals of the host member state. That means that you pay the same tuition as Belgian citizens pay, in your case.

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