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wanda_2005
February 21, 2010 8:35:31 PM CET

Irregularities in Chinese weather station data collection

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010...e-weather-fraud

The last word of the link in the "hard right" news source above is "fraud".
ThePurpleCow
- 1022 posts
February 23, 2010 1:06:52 PM CET

This Daily Mail article Wanda has linked to above is full of lies and distortions. The title of the article even is a distortion of what Jones actually said in an interview with the BBC.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8511670.stm

Jones actually says that the globe has nominally warmed since 1995, but it is difficult to establish the statistical significance of that warming given the short nature of the time-span (15 years.) It is very difficult to establish a statistically significant trend over a time interval as short as 15 years. Note also that the CRU record indicates slightly less warming than other global temperature estimates such as the GISS record.

The Mail article also confuses instrumental surface temperature data that Jones used to estimate the modern surface temperature trends with paleoclimate data used to estimate temperatures in past centuries. The article falsely claims that the former “has been used to produce the ‘hockey stick graph' ".

Finally, and most despicably, the article intentionally distorts comments that Jones made about the so-called “Medieval Warm Period”. What Jones actually says in the interview is.. “

There is much debate over whether the Medieval Warm Period was global in extent or not. The MWP is most clearly expressed in parts of North America, the North Atlantic and Europe and parts of Asia

and

For it to be global in extent, the MWP would need to be seen clearly in more records from the tropical regions and the Southern hemisphere. There are very few palaeoclimatic records for these latter two regions.

These statements are moreover fully consistent with the most recent IPCC report, and numerous peer-reviewed publications on this issue.

Moving on to the Guardian piece. This is a debate about the exact location of 18 of 49 Chinese weather stations were placed back in the 1980's and whether or not their results were influenced by their proximation to big cities. It's important to note that although Wang has a reputation for being sloppy at times, his work was investigated by his employees and found to be sound.

But here's a paragraph from the article that puts the alleged controversy into it's proper perspective.

It is important to keep this in perspective, however. This dramatic revision of the estimated impact of urbanisation on temperatures in China does not change the global picture of temperature trends. There is plenty of evidence of global warming, not least from oceans far from urban influences. A review of recent studies published online in December by David Parker of the Met Office concludes that, even allowing for Jones's new data, "global near-surface temperature trends have not been greatly affected by urban warming trends."

Now Wanda for all her faults is not a stupid woman, so she will have known enough about this subject to realize she was posting nonsense. These kinds of deliberate distortions are very common in the links and diatribes that Wanda and Lissa post here. So I’m hoping that someone will take up the role of fact-checking their posts after I’m gone. Unless you are all OK with someone posting lies here – then just let her be.
wanda_2005
February 23, 2010 2:25:17 PM CET

I will just keep following the story in the Guardian and cut off your accusations of the source being "hard right" or some other exaggeration. This scam will unfold. Have you noticed the resignations?

One of IPCC scientists just released an erotic novel and his foundation has a huge golf course in India where water is in short supply.

I see Purple Cow as one of those nutcases that you see wondering up and down Oxford Street wearing a sandwich board that says...

Repent for your carbon dioxide emissions, for the end of the world is nigh- we are all doomed I tell you, DOOMED.
ThePurpleCow
- 1022 posts
February 23, 2010 3:06:06 PM CET

Notice how Wanda doesn't actually deal with any of the points I raised.

She simply lays down a couple more red-herrings and parrots one of my jokes.
wanda_2005
March 1, 2010 7:08:22 AM CET

This paper expresses concern for the "scientific" methods used and the deviation from scientific traditions.

Memorandum submitted by the Institute of Physics (CRU 39)

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/c...data/uc3902.htm
wildrosecountry
- 2883 posts
March 1, 2010 11:15:20 PM CET

wanda_2005 (Mar 1 2010, 06:08 AM) said: > original post
This paper expresses concern for the "scientific" methods used and the deviation from scientific traditions.

Memorandum submitted by the Institute of Physics (CRU 39)

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/c...data/uc3902.htm

Wanda TPC is gone from this forum.
wanda_2005
March 2, 2010 11:35:22 AM CET

wildrosecountry (Mar 1 2010, 11:15 PM) said: > original post
Wanda TPC is gone from this forum.

and he didn't even say "%§@&!¿ you!" on his way out.
wildrosecountry
- 2883 posts
March 2, 2010 6:37:34 PM CET

wanda_2005 (Mar 2 2010, 10:35 AM) said: > original post
and he didn't even say "%§@&!¿ you!" on his way out.

He didn't take you with him !
sorcerers_apprentice
- 144 posts
April 9, 2012 10:32:35 AM CEST

Resistance to belief in climate change must be treated as a mental illness:

http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/03/resistance_to_warmism_must_be_treated.html
Deleted Member
- 28 posts
July 19, 2012 1:26:50 PM CEST

Ça ne fait pas longtemps que je me suis inscrit sur ce forum, mais je le trouve super ! Tirer les cartes

This post was edited by Deleted Member at July 19, 2012 1:27:31 PM CEST

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