My father and mother (both around 65 years of age) are citizens of a non eu country. Non of my brothers/sisters live in that country. I live and work in NL and have recently become a dutch citizen.
Is it possible for me to bring them both here to live permanently with me?
Netherlands seems to be very strict in this case. If I look at IND website then there is only one closely related option in the residence wizard which is that one can bring a single parent of 65+ with a child.
ouloveit3 said:
Geesh, blackwater all your posts show that you are sooo unhappy in The NL ... but life would be grand if one could live in The NL. Wow .. and how many people from The UK are living here because of thre problems in The UK. Geesh The NL is (snap) tiny compared to The UK.
To be honest, many are here, like you, with careers. Others are here for partners. Some are here for the **** of it, as it's less than an hour away by plane. But don't let reality get in the way of your vision!
The UK is not utopia, although tourists might feel that way as some do with Amsterdam. It has massive unemployment, graduates unable to find work, no significant manufacturing industries - and gangrun ghettos where once existing Dutch-style mixed social housing - thanks to Lady Thatcher *spit* who ruled back in the '80s. Also, their immigration laws have tightened in the last year, and they have not one but TWO right-wing anti-immingrant political parties, although neither get significant support. If you move there, you're looking at well over 10% (£30,000?) as a deposit for a mortgage with zero tax relief on repayments with high council/gemeente tax, or begging for a house on a social-ghetto.
In the last years a lot more expats have shifted to The Netherlands from Non EU countries where different generations live under the same roof. This is quite uncommon for Dutch. The immigration rules do not take into account of such cases.
You have done the research work and have probably done the inburgering or similar course to realize "regels zijn regels" . There will be no bending of the rules whatever you try. The conditions (amongst others) to get your parent over permanently is
when they are 65+ (a lot of these countries retirement age is 58 ish) and do not have any kids, or partner (other wise Dutch immigration expects them to be living together)
Unfortunately, there is no way you can bring your parents permanently to the netherlands.
It is a complete waste of time and money to even try. I have helped a couple of other friends to sort the simiar situation.
Here are your options
- You parents can visit you for max 6 months a year, the remaining six months either they are in the home country or with another sibling (provided he or she is not in EU). Some of my friends tried this option for a while and finally moved back home to avoid this mess.
- You can move back to your home country. That will help you avoid all the immigration problems and you and your parents already know the system/medical facilities etc back home.
- UK/US could be an option as traditionally these countries have friendlier immigration laws for different generations living under the same roof. But I think you want to avoid US because you need sort out a lot of visa issues for yourself.
UK has been changing laws recently and has stopped issuing long term visa to non eu nationals. If I were you, I would really consider if UK is worth the move (as mentioned by other posters). There would be tons of things that you need to sort out job, housing , etc. As eventually they might end up with a tourist visa.
The other EU countries are pretty much on similar lines as Holland. You could try middle east, singapore where visa regulations are easier and immigration rules for parents are a bit more simpler.
Happy to share more details, if you want to reach out to me personally.
welliamin said:
In the last years a lot more expats have shifted to The Netherlands from Non EU countries where different generations live under the same roof. This is quite uncommon for Dutch. The immigration rules do not take into account of such cases.
You have done the research work and have probably done the inburgering or similar course to realize "regels zijn regels" . There will be no bending of the rules whatever you try. The conditions (amongst others) to get your parent over permanently is
when they are 65+ (a lot of these countries retirement age is 58 ish) and do not have any kids, or partner (other wise Dutch immigration expects them to be living together)
Unfortunately, there is no way you can bring your parents permanently to the netherlands.
It is a complete waste of time and money to even try. I have helped a couple of other friends to sort the simiar situation.
Here are your options
- You parents can visit you for max 6 months a year, the remaining six months either they are in the home country or with another sibling (provided he or she is not in EU). Some of my friends tried this option for a while and finally moved back home to avoid this mess.
- You can move back to your home country. That will help you avoid all the immigration problems and you and your parents already know the system/medical facilities etc back home.
- UK/US could be an option as traditionally these countries have friendlier immigration laws for different generations living under the same roof. But I think you want to avoid US because you need sort out a lot of visa issues for yourself.
UK has been changing laws recently and has stopped issuing long term visa to non eu nationals. If I were you, I would really consider if UK is worth the move (as mentioned by other posters). There would be tons of things that you need to sort out job, housing , etc. As eventually they might end up with a tourist visa.
The other EU countries are pretty much on similar lines as Holland. You could try middle east, singapore where visa regulations are easier and immigration rules for parents are a bit more simpler.
Happy to share more details, if you want to reach out to me personally.
UK laws are strickter only for UK citizen. For EU citizen living in UK can call his or her parents permanently to UK.
A EU citizen in UK enjoys more rights than UK citizen living in UK
ouloveit3 said:
Geesh, blackwater all your posts show that you are sooo unhappy in The NL ... but life would be grand if one could live in The NL. Wow .. and how many people from The UK are living here because of thre problems in The UK. Geesh The NL is (snap) tiny compared to The UK.
I never said iam unhappy in NL. Iam just telling him the option to call his parents
UK has one of most porus and fragile immigration laws in EU
osita said:
ouloveit3 said:
Geesh, blackwater all your posts show that you are sooo unhappy in The NL ... but life would be grand if one could live in The NL. Wow .. and how many people from The UK are living here because of thre problems in The UK. Geesh The NL is (snap) tiny compared to The UK.
To be honest, many are here, like you, with careers. Others are here for partners. Some are here for the **** of it, as it's less than an hour away by plane. But don't let reality get in the way of your vision!
The UK is not utopia, although tourists might feel that way as some do with Amsterdam. It has massive unemployment, graduates unable to find work, no significant manufacturing industries - and gangrun ghettos where once existing Dutch-style mixed social housing - thanks to Lady Thatcher *spit* who ruled back in the '80s. Also, their immigration laws have tightened in the last year, and they have not one but TWO right-wing anti-immingrant political parties, although neither get significant support. If you move there, you're looking at well over 10% (£30,000?) as a deposit for a mortgage with zero tax relief on repayments with high council/gemeente tax, or begging for a house on a social-ghetto.
I know about UK. I lived there for 6 yrs. I can say both NL and UK have their pros and cons..
welliamin said:
Here are your options
- You parents can visit you for max 6 months a year, the remaining six months either they are in the home country or with another sibling (provided he or she is not in EU). Some of my friends tried this option for a while and finally moved back home to avoid this mess.
UK has been changing laws recently and has stopped issuing long term visa to non eu nationals. If I were you, I would really consider if UK is worth the move (as mentioned by other posters). There would be tons of things that you need to sort out job, housing , etc. As eventually they might end up with a tourist visa.
For anything other than schengen visa, the cost of visa is very high. On schengen visa, they will have to come to NL twice a year to live for three months in each visit. In that case, the cost of traveling is too much. In UK they can live for six month in one visit simply on a visit visa.
I don't think, they would just stop issuing visas for all the categories for non eu people. But I'll find out more details about it.
I have lived in UK for 2-3 years and have got Master's degree from there also. I have a lot of friends and family living in UK who are all doing very well. I actually got a very good job offer in UK after completing my studies but I chose the job offered from Amsterdam instead. Since then I have been double minded.
I never said UK stopped issuing visas. I only said that they have been a lot of changes in the immigration laws. For instance, UK used to give a 10 year visa to non eu parents visiting as tourists. Now people are only given a short term visa and require it to be reissued. Students could work freely for 2 years after graduation. Recently rules have changed and they are quite strict for non eu people. Reading your post , It seems to me you have made up your mind about shifting to UK. Like you I have lived in both countries and both have their pros and cons - my intention was just to warn you that you want to consider the big picture before making the move... ..... Good luck further !
