osita said:
Finally, about the Middle Ages; I think you'll find the Muslims were defending themselves from the maruading invaders (European Christians under the banner of the Pope) in their own lands, rather than planning to take over Europe/ the world. Just thought I'd clear that up for you.
Rather like what is happening now then.
durendal said:
BTW for the Poles i would say honor your past , the victory at Vienna over the Jihadist Ottomans is celebrated September 12th. Yes the 9/11 attacks were not a coincidence. It was the highlight of the Islamic Jihad against the West the point where the Muslims were defeated and the Jihad was pushed back.They are still angry and want to start the Jihad again. That is because Islam depends on the exploitation of non-Muslims as dhimmi's they pay for the Muslims.That is how they managed to conquer such large pieces of the ancient world and spread.They made the non-Muslims second class citizens. The Poles also fought the Nazi's but that simply comes from them fighting the Muslims you are against Nazi's you are against Muslims.
Listen to yourself, picture perfect PVV voter. Muslims are "they" and "they" are all angry and out to get you. Bit paranoid, isn't it?
duradenals racist pov is based on alcohol sales.
He'd be less racist if muslim people were buying loads of booze from him.
peony said:
Maybe he should open a halal meat shop as well to broaden his horizons.
:)
Or a kebab shop :)
durendal said:
Look the Poles will always be better Muslim killers then the PVV. In fact I think i will give a free drink to my Polish customers when I see them again in celebration of this victory.
The fact that you celebrate the murder of innocent people whose crime is following a different religion to you makes you as repulsive as Adolf Hitler.
The village of De Steeg have a problem with the Poles in the monastery in their village. They have lodge a law suite against these Poles, and lost their case. Despite that, they will not report them to PVV's anti-eastern European hotline. They will just keep lodging their complaints with the police when the Poles cause a nuisance.
CDA suggests sticking Polish, Romanian and other seasonal workers in asylum seeker centers.
now that a lot of the asylum seekers have been deported, there is space in asylum seeker centers. Don't let anything go to waste, aye?
I was trying to give an example of flawed logic to Blackwater. ;)
VVD & CDA could choose some other parties to form a coalition. PVV was not the only choice.
Hello. I'm Polish and I wanted to add my point of view about Polish emigrants in NL and other European countries. I don't like this PVV website, I think that there are many other ways to complain about emigrants (police etc,) But I understand these complaining people in some way. Many of Polish people who emigrated to NL and other Western countries are those who couldn't manage their life here in Poland. They thought that in NL there are "money on street" and they have just to pick it up. Unfortunately it isn't that easy. In many cases they don't know the language and there have difficulties in finding job. So, many of them start to drink and beg for money on the street or even steal. They think that they can't go back to Poland and admit that they fail(honor etc). On the other hand, there are a lot of job agencies which use Polish workers, they don't pay them or pay less than they should, etc In summary this site is bad, but many of Polish emigrants are also not so good. I am ashamed of my countryman quite often and in some way I understand complaining Dutch citizens.
kuchar said:
In summary this site is bad, but many of Polish emigrants are also not so good. I am ashamed of my countryman quite often and in some way I understand complaining Dutch citizens.
In Dutch, we have a saying. "Give them a finger, and they'll take your entire hand.". By giving us Dutch people a finger (apologising for your countrymen) you'll sustain our belief that we have a right to collectively 'judge' an entire group of people (the entire hand) in the first place.
Sure, it will make interactions for yourself more pleasant. Now you're a 'good Pole', and not a 'bad Pole' in our eyes, but it comes at the expense of not doing anything to alter our beliefs. You managed to break through the initial layer of prejudice, but the next person from Central Europe they meet is going to have to do the same, over and over again.
It wasn't my intention to show myself as 'good Pole' and them as 'bad Poles'. Maybe I wrote it in the wrong way. My intention was to say that among hundreds of thousands of Polish emigrands there are some who behave bad and spoil the opionion about all Poles. Most of these people work very hard and I respect it because they improve economies of both countries (work is done and tax are paid in NL, money are spent in PL). I think that there should be law which prevents from cheating and using hard working emigrants by job agencies. Those emigrants who can't accept Dutch law and habbits should be punished.
I understand that some Dutch people have reason to complain about some Poles, but this website is wrong and inappropriate. It's XXI century, we all are citizens of EU and we should be tolerant. If some Poles are drunk and are singing in front of your bedroom window just call the police. They get a ticket and they will think twice next time. I think that posting complains on xenophobic, political website won't solve the problem.
For example there are many people who complain on tourists who drink a lot, behave loud and **** all over the place (mostly in Cracows Market). But creating populistic website to post complains about it is as wrong as PVV site. Problem should be solved but without dividing people in "us" and "foreigners". It's easy to pin down all the blame on foreigners. But maybe there is lack of public toilets in these area or they aren't marked properly, etc.
I think that saying that Poles behave bad but in XVII century Poland (with Lithuania) saved europe from Muslims so they are OK is good. Maybe there should be law that that allows Poles to behave loud till midinight, because the fought two enemies during WWII for more than month, Dutch till 22:00 because they fought whith Germans for five days and Germans aren't allowed to behave loud at all? I'm proud of history of my country and I'm glad that foreign people know about these glory events. I would be happy to discous about this history events and to hear similar stories about Dutch, English and other countries history. But this is history and we live now in 2012, not in 1683 or 1939.
SwampedZombie said:
In Dutch, we have a saying. "Give them a finger, and they'll take your entire hand.".
We have same saying :)
