If anyone goes to the event perhaps they might like to ask Mr. Gage how he can he claim that the towers collapsed at nearly free fall speeds when videos show that the loose debris from the upper stories was obviously falling much faster than the main structure?
How does he square his free-fall claim with the fact that this debris could be seen to hit the ground when at least 40 stories of each building were still intact? The North Tower was only down to the height of WTC 7 when debris from the upper stories first hit the ground.
Was the effect of g miraculously increased on 9/11?
The buildings fell in 15 and 22 seconds respectively, nowhere near the ~9.25 seconds that free fall would have taken:
Let me know what he says.
ThePurpleCow said:
If anyone goes to the event perhaps they might like to ask Mr. Gage how he can he claim that the towers collapsed at nearly free fall speeds when videos show that the loose debris from the upper stories was obviously falling much faster than the main structure?
How does he square his free-fall claim with the fact that this debris could be seen to hit the ground when at least 40 stories of each building were still intact? The North Tower was only down to the height of WTC 7 when debris from the upper stories first hit the ground.
Was the effect of g miraculously increased on 9/11?
The buildings fell in 15 and 22 seconds respectively, nowhere near the ~9.25 seconds that free fall would have taken:
Let me know what he says.
Explosives.
ThePurpleCow said:
If anyone goes to the event perhaps they might like to ask Mr. Gage how he can he claim that the towers collapsed at nearly free fall speeds when videos show that the loose debris from the upper stories was obviously falling much faster than the main structure?
How does he square his free-fall claim with the fact that this debris could be seen to hit the ground when at least 40 stories of each building were still intact? The North Tower was only down to the height of WTC 7 when debris from the upper stories first hit the ground.
Was the effect of g miraculously increased on 9/11?
The buildings fell in 15 and 22 seconds respectively, nowhere near the ~9.25 seconds that free fall would have taken:
Let me know what he says.
Why don't you e-mail him or one of other many architects who would gladly answer your question.
korrok said:
Good god, this was debunked so long ago. It was a great little conspiracy theory while it lasted, but it's just too disproven to have any entertainment value anymore.
Oh really ? How ? By whom ?
I haven't heard anything to change my opinion or the opinions of millions of others.
If you can come up with a solid 'debunking' I'd be glad to hear it.
korrok said:
Good god, this was debunked so long ago. It was a great little conspiracy theory while it lasted, but it's just too disproven to have any entertainment value anymore.
Fire does not bring down steel framed buildings.
The bulidings were designed to withstand the impact of planes.
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mrfook said:
korrok said:
Good god, this was debunked so long ago. It was a great little conspiracy theory while it lasted, but it's just too disproven to have any entertainment value anymore.Oh really ? How ? By whom ?
I haven't heard anything to change my opinion or the opinions of millions of others.
If you can come up with a solid 'debunking' I'd be glad to hear it.
Google is your friend. People on the internet are not your personal tutors - you can educate yourself. ;)
mrfook said:
korrok said:
mrfook said:
korrok said:
Google is your friend. People on the internet are not your personal tutors - you can educate yourself. ;)
I went to see the man speak - it has nothing to do with google.I made my mind up about all this years ago.
Maybe you should try thinking for yourself.
I do. That's why I watched the documentaries about the conspiracy theories, read a bit about it and went "oh that's a compelling case!". Then read the debunks and looked at the SOURCES of those debunks and went "oh well, it was nice to speculate on".
Just for you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_controlled_demolition_conspiracy_theories
"The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) and Popular Mechanics examined and rejected these theories. Specialists in structural mechanics and structural engineering generally accept the model of a fire-induced, gravity-driven collapse of the World Trade Center buildings, an explanation that does not involve the use of explosives."
"The structural engineering community rejects the controlled-demolition conspiracy theory. Its consensus is that the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings was a fire-induced, gravity-driven collapse, an explanation that does not involve the use of explosives."
"Preparing a building for a controlled demolition takes considerable time and effort.The tower walls would have had to be opened on dozens of floors. Thousands of pounds of explosives, fuses and ignition mechanisms would need to be sneaked past security and placed in the towerswithout the tens of thousands of people working in the World Trade Center noticing.Referring to a conversation with Stuart Vyse, a professor of psychology, an article in the Hartford Advocate asks, "How many hundreds of people would you need to acquire the explosives, plant them in the buildings, arrange for the airplanes to crash [...] and, perhaps most implausibly of all, never breathe a single word of this conspiracy?""
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories
But hell, if it makes you happy, you can believe a debunked version of events based on pseudoscience.
Once a conspiracy theorist always a conspiracy theorist... um, or should that be fantasist.
fortuner said:
Once a conspiracy theorist always a conspiracy theorist... um, or should that be fantasist.
I understand Wesley - you don't like anything that doesn't quite fit in your fluffy view of the world...thats ok - but don't try any cheap shots about something you obviously don't know enough about.
mrfook said:
I understand Wesley - you don't like anything that doesn't quite fit in your fluffy view of the world...thats ok - but don't try any cheap shots about something you obviously don't know enough about.
I wish my "fluffy world" was as good as you imply but no, I'd just rather live in the real world, despite the bad, than a warped view of what goes on in one thank you... I know enough to know that most of these conspiracy stories are nonsense, entertaining perhaps but that's about it.
ThePurpleCow said:
If you can come up with a solid 'debunking' I'd be glad to hear it.
I already did, you ignored it.
You can't argue with a conspiracy theorist. Anything they disagree with can just be discounted as coming from "big brother". And anyone who doesn't agree with them is a government brainwashed drone.
ThePurpleCow said:
If you can come up with a solid 'debunking' I'd be glad to hear it.
I already did, you ignored it.
Nice try but not good enough.
fortuner said:
mrfook said:
I understand Wesley - you don't like anything that doesn't quite fit in your fluffy view of the world...thats ok - but don't try any cheap shots about something you obviously don't know enough about.
"I know enough to know that most of these conspiracy stories are nonsense,"
OK - so you beleive the official stories of
The murders of JFK,Robert Kennedy, and MLK?
Its pretty much accepted now that it was all bullshit...and people who said anything about t then were portrayed as 'nutters'and hey,40 years later it turns out they were right.
Tha same will happen about 911 and OBL.
Dr.David Kelly was murdered.....many people know that...there's nothing nutty about it.
I saw a live feed the day his body was found when two paramedics were interviewed and they said his death had been made to look like suicide but there was nowhere near enough blood.That footage was never repeated...the information was witheld.
Its pretty much accepted now that it was all bullshit
Really?
Accepted by who?
ThePurpleCow said:
Its pretty much accepted now that it was all bullshit
Really?
Accepted by who?
People who are part of alien mind control cults:
http://truthmovecom.blogspot.com/2008/05/richard-gage-of-architects-and.html
;)
ThePurpleCow said:
Its pretty much accepted now that it was all bullshit
Really?
Accepted by who?
Yes really.
Most people who can think for themselves and have read enough about it.
